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Post by Yawgmoth on Jun 30, 2016 20:30:45 GMT -6
No multicolored spells. Here is a pic of a few spells that user Colorcrayons sent me which he acquired from the author of the review via twitter:
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Toshi Umezawa
Apprentice
Posts: 100
Title: Hyozan, Clan Umezawa
Mana: Black
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Post by Toshi Umezawa on Jun 30, 2016 20:39:03 GMT -6
The new cards look brutal.
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Post by mineman1 on Jun 30, 2016 20:50:25 GMT -6
"Moonlight hunt" practicality confirms that will have a transforming squad.
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Post by smutteringplib on Jun 30, 2016 20:51:51 GMT -6
I really like those cards. Thoughts: Moonlight Hunt makes me think the squad werewolves also transform. That would mean the that the and squads have 2-3 each, not 4 like I thought earlier. The wording on the cards makes me think there is some ability that lets you cast at instant speed. Fell the Mighty is absolutely bonkers
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gideonjura
Apprentice
Posts: 51
Mana: White, Black
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Post by gideonjura on Jun 30, 2016 21:09:59 GMT -6
welcome into the fold=size the day but could also work on an opponents creature!!!○_○
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Post by Yawgmoth on Jun 30, 2016 21:31:32 GMT -6
I agree, these cards, especially the ones, are bonkers. I also agree that the wording on the cards implies that instant speed lurks somewhere. My thoughts are: 1) I hated before, and now I despise them. Card advantage, creature advantage... These are big deals in this game. Welcome to the Fold compared to Malevolent Whispers. WttF (WTF, indeed) can be used on your opponents unique creatures, or more importantly, on your own creatures for a double tap attack They attack, then play card to move and attack again, 4 spaces away from your pwalker. MW must be used on an opponents creature (any type, common or unique) from 2 spaces away from your pwalker. Since all we have right now is unique, the minor distinction is pointless. I hate ... 2) I believe the cards are strongly in keeping with their respective color flavors. Even . I just hope the first blush disparity is gone once gameplay happens. But I trust the designers enough to hopefully learn from how good certain colors were and were not from the first base set. 3) I really hope there are actual spell deck construction rules now as was rumored to go along with this set.
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Post by smutteringplib on Jun 30, 2016 21:38:22 GMT -6
I hated before, and now I despise them. Card advantage, creature advantage... These are big deals in this game. Welcome to the Fold compared to Malevolent Whispers. Welcome to the Fold costs 40 while Whispers costs 20, so there is some balance. Whisper gives a boost too. I think these are very good, but they seem fair.
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Post by Yawgmoth on Jun 30, 2016 21:56:30 GMT -6
Cost doesn't really matter much currently, without deck building restrictions beyond what we have now. While is true we must have exactly 12 cards and no more than 200 points in the deck, such a thing matters little to while stuff like or struggle. I am obviously biased, but the that enjoys in this game is glaringly obvious. Card advantage and creature advantage matters. Add to that tempo and recursion, and we have all the strong bases covered. Where do other colors fit in there? Kinda do the same thing, but weaker? I'll take the good cards for 40 points over semi good (comparatively) for half the price. I really hope the other 39 cards or the overall gameplay can dissuade me, but the comparison between those two isn't remotely balanced from my perspective. I'm not trying to be grouchy, I was just hoping that wotcs love affair with all things and Jace would subside a tiny bit so that another color would look rude at first blush for a change.
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Post by smutteringplib on Jun 30, 2016 22:04:10 GMT -6
40/200 points is 1/5 of your value. You are pretty much guaranteed to run several weak low cost cards to make up for it. Whereas Whispers leaves you plenty of points to build with. I guess what I'm saying is that Fold and Fell the Mighty seem similar in , so we shouldn't judge the color balance yet. I'm sure every color has a 40+ point powerful card that we haven't seen yet.
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Post by ninja9351 on Jun 30, 2016 22:34:36 GMT -6
40/200 points is 1/5 of your value. You are pretty much guaranteed to run several weak low cost cards to make up for it. Whereas Whispers leaves you plenty of points to build with. I guess what I'm saying is that Fold and Fell the Mighty seem similar in , so we shouldn't judge the color balance yet. I'm sure every color has a 40+ point powerful card that we haven't seen yet. Ahh yes, but the new Jace gives an additional 25 points to work with. This doesn't exactly help anything...
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Post by smutteringplib on Jun 30, 2016 22:41:40 GMT -6
40/200 points is 1/5 of your value. You are pretty much guaranteed to run several weak low cost cards to make up for it. Whereas Whispers leaves you plenty of points to build with. I guess what I'm saying is that Fold and Fell the Mighty seem similar in , so we shouldn't judge the color balance yet. I'm sure every color has a 40+ point powerful card that we haven't seen yet. Ahh yes, but the new Jace gives an additional 25 points to work with. This doesn't exactly help anything... u But that is practically his only , guessing the card off the top of the library seems so rare to get his other ability to work. I just think we should play with it before we claim it's gonna be overpowered. has trouble dealing with heroes, and Welcome to the Fold still doesn't hit heroes. Also, I don't think WttF can be used as a second attack for your squad. The "on a planeswalker's turn" clause means that you can't play it during a squad turn.
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Post by Yawgmoth on Jun 30, 2016 23:15:55 GMT -6
Also, I don't think WttF can be used as a second attack for your squad. The "on a planeswalker's turn" clause means that you can't play it during a squad turn. Possible, but I could have swore that I saw a response from hasbro somewhere stating that a Planeswalkers turn is your turn. I could very well be wrong. Im not seeing anything in the rulebook about a squad turn though. But lets assume for a moment that the "Planeswalkers turn" is only for the Planeswalkers when it is activated. This means that WttF effectively grants haste to a newly summoned squad. Which is typically a and sometimes ability. While 40 points is pricey to do that, it is extremely powerful. The utility and advantage of WttF would be worth it at twice that cost. But you're right. This is all just knee jerk theory stuff until some gameplay is done.
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Memnarch
Apprentice
The Mirari
Posts: 58
Mana: Colorless
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Post by Memnarch on Jul 1, 2016 0:19:03 GMT -6
I love to see WttF in this expansion. Fell the Mighty and Ghostly Possession are pretty cool and much needed for . got some high cost spells here: 40+40+30=110, so the other 9 spells will cost 10 pts in average. If Jace gets 25 extra points, then he will get realy powerful. I hope we will get an Eldritch Moon mini expansion with Liliana :-)
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Post by Gamjuven on Jul 1, 2016 5:11:13 GMT -6
I already have a question about Moonlight Hunt: It simply says "X is the number of figures with transform adjacent to that creature". So that obviously includes your opponent's figures with transform. What happens if the target itself has transform? I can't remember if a figure is considered to be adjacent to itself? And side note: It says it can't be greater than 4. How often would that really come up? They are either protecting themselves for future releases or there are more transforming figures in this set besides the 2-man squad and planeswalker.
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Post by darthporkchop on Jul 1, 2016 6:36:08 GMT -6
I already have a question about Moonlight Hunt: It simply says "X is the number of figures with transform adjacent to that creature". So that obviously includes your opponent's figures with transform. What happens if the target itself has transform? I can't remember if a figure is considered to be adjacent to itself? And side note: It says it can't be greater than 4. How often would that really come up? They are either protecting themselves for future releases or there are more transforming figures in this set besides the 2-man squad and planeswalker. 1. I don't believe you can be adjacent to yourself. (That's just my opinion. Games sometimes have rules and wording that don't make sense in the real world.) 2. If this game is anything like the card game, they are already testing the next set against this and the other previously released ones. Undoubtedly, if that is the case, cards will have things that don't quite add up until future releases are, well, released. EDIT: Side note: I checked my local Target, Walmart, and Barnes and Noble yesterday. No luck.
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Post by Aurore on Jul 1, 2016 9:06:37 GMT -6
Considering how they do color, I'm seriously wondering if we'll ever get multi-colored creatures. I was sure that since SOI would be having three two color walkers there would be at least one, but since Avacyn is supposed to be and is now pure I wonder if that will be the case for all two colors, they'll just be made the more identifiable color.
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Post by smutteringplib on Jul 1, 2016 12:48:02 GMT -6
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Post by Targanth on Jul 1, 2016 13:14:02 GMT -6
From the Amazon pics (thanks smutteringplib) this time the boards are DOUBLE SIDED !!!! Onr side is , while the other side looks more cobblestone/sand with water. If I am seeing it correctly, the cobblestone/sand side of the boards is the side that will connect in with the original set.
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Post by smutteringplib on Jul 1, 2016 13:16:15 GMT -6
It's absolutely ridiculous how little hype or advertising they are putting into this. They literally just start selling it one day...
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Post by Aurore on Jul 1, 2016 13:36:12 GMT -6
I'm surprised only gets three figures +Jace.
I guess they're counting on the of spells to carry things, like usual.
On another note, at least we finally have opaque figures.
I think this speaks to the likelihood of an EMN expansion, since Tamiyo is and got less creatures, and there is a clear lack of the iconic Zombies of Innistrad, which Liliana likes to make use of.
I'm also expecting a Hero, maybe a werewolf or Sigarda, and werewolves and spirits, but I might be getting ahead of myself.
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