Jsanner2
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Post by Jsanner2 on Oct 8, 2015 11:49:16 GMT -6
Costs Eldrazi hero: 150 Eldrazi squad creatures: 55 Ob Nixilis: 385 Kiora: 345 No chance to build an army of 500 points with an hero Interesting. Would have to play a higher point-total game, I suppose
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Post by HlRasr on Oct 9, 2015 20:02:53 GMT -6
Eldrazi hero with a "generic" name. Eldrazi scions what help out any Eldrazi hero... Now I'm hyped! Don't know if we will get more, but it is definitely set up for more. We do know that these cards are official right? But why did they make the group of Eldrazi Scions unique when they are the base spawn-able creature token in the card game? Maybe so they could have more types of base Eldrazi?
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Post by Memnarch on Oct 9, 2015 23:53:49 GMT -6
I think they are unique, because if they were not, you would have to buy a second or third expansion pack to be able to use one of the squads more than once in your army. So i think there we will be a common squad expansion.
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Post by wardemonx327 on Oct 13, 2015 12:59:56 GMT -6
Don't know if anyone else has too much time on their hands, but I did! A few thoughts: According to Amazon.com, you get: Includes 2 Planeswalker figures, 3 hero figures, 11 squad figures, 15 spell cards, 9 army cards, Battle for Zendikar Board Game Expansion Pack Guide. Judging from THIS image: You get Ob Nixilis & Kiora as your Planeswalkers. The HERO figures are probably the Kor looking thing, the Merman looking guy & the Eldrazi Ruiner. That leaves 9 army cards with 11 "squad" figures: 1. 3x Eldrazi Scions 2. 3x Goblins 3. 2x Dirkwood Skirmishers(?) - They look like them, 4. 3x Vampires(?) (I was really hoping the first figure was a Zombie Hero...) There's your 11 squad figures. Your other army cards will probably be: 5. Eldrazi Ruiner Hero 6. Ob Nixilis Planeswalker 7. Kiora Planeswalker 8. Kor Hero 9. Merman Hero As for deckbuilding, based on the synopsis, you're "supposed to" have enough points to select any planeswalker and choose the Eldrazi Ruiner Hero and the Eldrazi Scions to use as your army, since it's . As for the Ruiner itself: I believe that the skirmish battle with the Ruiner and it's Scions use special stats on the skirmish scenario when running it. Probably to add beefiness to the Eldrazi, since no Planeswalker = no spells. If you use the Ruiner in your army, I think you'll use the card stats: Unfortunately, by my math: 150 + 55 = 205, leaving you 295 points to select a Planeswalker... even if you only choose the Ruiner, you run into problems with the cost of the Planeswalkers: (in no particular order) Chandra = 365 points = NO WAY, JOSE. Jace = 340 points = You + Eldrazi Ruiner & NO other squad = No Devour for Strength Gideon = 350 points = same as Jace. Nissa = 330 points = same as Jace. Liliana = 325 points = same as Jace. Ob = 385(?) points = same as Chandra Kiora = 345 points = sames as Jace. Looks like our only salvation is that they increase the army cost allotment OR they change the cost of the Eldrazi Ruiner & Eldrazi Scions. Either way, it still sucks if you wanted to use Chandra or Ob with the Ruiner. Thoughts?
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Post by HlRasr on Oct 13, 2015 19:50:19 GMT -6
I wonder what the cost for each new squad/ hero is. If they are all the same point total, 100 for arguments sake, all colored teams would be an equal 600 points. Easy enough to change a deck build to accommodate. With 600 as the base, the 205 point total would allow for 395 points for a planeswalker. As listed above, that is feasible with all current planeswalkers. If my scenario described is correct, I am very glad that they are adding a multi color walker and the eldrazi. Each mono color would still be limited to what army they could play. Just a 600 point army as opposed to 500. It would not have been enough to shake up the game. Even with Ob Nixilus, the limited army options would prove one mono walker superior to the other. Since Kiora is coming, there is an army building option with / . Very cool in terms of options with plenty to experiment with. May even need 2 copies of the game to see how she works against Jace or Nissa. The eldrazi were very necessary to change up the game and add just the faintest layer of customization to the other 6 planeswalkers. Something that could have been done with artifact creatures, but the eldrazi are a far better choice.
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Post by Memnarch on Oct 14, 2015 0:48:55 GMT -6
I agree that the multicolored planeswalker and the eldrazi make things much more interesting. So i'd like to see an artifakt expansion (favourite would be a myr expansion with some common myr squads, a loadstone myr as a unique squad and memnarch as hero) or a sliver expansion with slivers for all colors which influence each other. Ooh there are soo many possibilities.
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Post by wardemonx327 on Oct 14, 2015 20:24:24 GMT -6
After going through the manual with a discerning eye, the following section stands out:
"All scenarios in this game set have a total build of 500 points per army."
So, Hasbro's workaround is the new scenarios they release might include a higher point allotment in the Setup section of each scenario. I see what you did there, Hasbro. And there...
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Post by herotempest on Oct 26, 2015 7:30:19 GMT -6
So the expasion is comming with 15 new spells cards. I think it'll be 3 for each color as the images show so far. What happens if my group want to play with Kiora and Nissa/Jace? We can't because there wont be enough cards to build 2 decks? The same applies to Lili/Ob.
I'm having so much fun so far, but I want to invest in a game that I can get its full potential without buying more than 1 core set or wait for many others expansions.
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Post by wardemonx327 on Oct 26, 2015 11:48:16 GMT -6
So the expasion is comming with 15 new spells cards. I think it'll be 3 for each color as the images show so far. What happens if my group want to play with Kiora and Nissa/Jace? We can't because there wont be enough cards to build 2 decks? The same applies to Lili/Ob. I'm having so much fun so far, but I want to invest in a game that I can get its full potential without buying more than 1 core set or wait for many others expansions. I doubt we'll be getting newer spells for some of the other characters.... We may end up getting 5 more spells, 5 spells, and 5 spells.... unless they decide to do some / multi-color spells, in which case we'll get limited numbers of the other spells. Who knows, for sure? If you're ever looking for new spells, I've taken the liberty to provide 15 new ones - 3 for each color. Check my threads under here.
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Post by bluecloud2k2 on Nov 10, 2015 2:02:31 GMT -6
Just some closeups of Kiora and Ob Nixilis cards, since they haven't been posted here yet.
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Post by bluecloud2k2 on Nov 10, 2015 2:02:51 GMT -6
Don't know if anyone else has too much time on their hands, but I did! A few thoughts: According to Amazon.com, you get: Includes 2 Planeswalker figures, 3 hero figures, 11 squad figures, 15 spell cards, 9 army cards, Battle for Zendikar Board Game Expansion Pack Guide. Judging from THIS image: You get Ob Nixilis & Kiora as your Planeswalkers. The HERO figures are probably the Kor looking thing, the Merman looking guy & the Eldrazi Ruiner. That leaves 9 army cards with 11 "squad" figures: 1. 3x Eldrazi Scions 2. 3x Goblins 3. 2x Dirkwood Skirmishers(?) - They look like them, 4. 3x Vampires(?) (I was really hoping the first figure was a Zombie Hero...) There's your 11 squad figures. Your other army cards will probably be: 5. Eldrazi Ruiner Hero 6. Ob Nixilis Planeswalker 7. Kiora Planeswalker 8. Kor Hero 9. Merman Hero As for deckbuilding, based on the synopsis, you're "supposed to" have enough points to select any planeswalker and choose the Eldrazi Ruiner Hero and the Eldrazi Scions to use as your army, since it's . As for the Ruiner itself: I believe that the skirmish battle with the Ruiner and it's Scions use special stats on the skirmish scenario when running it. Probably to add beefiness to the Eldrazi, since no Planeswalker = no spells. If you use the Ruiner in your army, I think you'll use the card stats: Unfortunately, by my math: 150 + 55 = 205, leaving you 295 points to select a Planeswalker... even if you only choose the Ruiner, you run into problems with the cost of the Planeswalkers: (in no particular order) Chandra = 365 points = NO WAY, JOSE. Jace = 340 points = You + Eldrazi Ruiner & NO other squad = No Devour for Strength Gideon = 350 points = same as Jace. Nissa = 330 points = same as Jace. Liliana = 325 points = same as Jace. Ob = 385(?) points = same as Chandra Kiora = 345 points = sames as Jace. Looks like our only salvation is that they increase the army cost allotment OR they change the cost of the Eldrazi Ruiner & Eldrazi Scions. Either way, it still sucks if you wanted to use Chandra or Ob with the Ruiner. Thoughts? Oh. My. Elder Gods!
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Phaedros
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Post by Phaedros on Nov 11, 2015 0:37:25 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure the new scenarios provided will be more than 500 points (gonna take a shot in the dark it'll be 600 at least so you can run Ob Nixilis+Ruiner+Scions.) Also, loving the new Eldrazi, very scary. Edit: Also, in the spoiled contents picture, you can clearly see a new spell card, which means each color will be getting 3 new spells.
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Post by tiaramisuu on Dec 12, 2015 22:56:51 GMT -6
Will there be an expansion for Oathwatch? I think I read that the next expansion will coincide with it.
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Post by jrvk777 on Dec 23, 2015 21:49:06 GMT -6
Perhaps Hasbro ban make smaller, squad/hero expansions, in between the major expansions. (i.e. similar to X-wing or Attack Wing).
They can also potentially cross-sell to existing Magic TCG players by adding an uncommon card that corresponds to the featured squad unit/hero unit in the mini expansion, for use with the TCG.
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negmon
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Post by negmon on Jan 4, 2016 18:30:27 GMT -6
Does anyone know when the regular release for the new expansion is, and if it will be in stores such as Walmart and the like?
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Post by Targanth on Jan 5, 2016 21:38:20 GMT -6
The way that I may hoping to determine that date is by watching the CSI website. As long as they have Battle for Zendikar as pre-order, it is not yet available. Once it is generally available, it will go off pre-order there.
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jdet
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Post by jdet on Jan 6, 2016 6:05:50 GMT -6
I ordered mine from Miniature Market in December, and they shipped it last night.
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Post by stealthpike on Jan 7, 2016 22:30:57 GMT -6
Well here's my quick review of the new expansion Pro: There are a lot of great new abilities introduced such as first strike, death touch, and hero units, making each color more individual and unique. Now it's not just the choice of paint that sets creatures apart, but these new creatures have some special abilities that really make them shine in their color. Con: The new cards do not add up to equal amounts ( at 85, at 55, at 65, stuff like that) so you will have to pay attention when setting things up. Likewise, the planeswalker is significantly mroe expensive than any other planeswalker to date, so again, something to keep in mind. Pro: The Eldrazi being " " adds some ability to "mix things up". Sure, I'm playing as Jace, but I don't need my illusions this time, because I have my Eldrazi! Con: *Minor* But, I find the eldrazi minis a little annoying. For one thing, the scions have a larger base than the other minis, and the Ruiner can be a little hard to place around terrain and other minis due to his arm sticking out. Again, it's a minor thing, but it is a thing. Pro: We all knew multi-color planeswalkers were being introduced in this set, so it's not unexpected, but again it allows for some interesting army construction to change up the standard play a bit. Con: has some cards that, for now, are almost useless. I'm thinking of skyreaping from the original set (deal 1 damage to flying units) and a card that came in the new set that boosts a hero unit. has zero hero units at the moment, so the card is only useful if you go / . For now, I've house-ruled that it can be used on squads as well. Pro: 1 V 3 again adds something new and fresh. I've heard a lot of people say it's really hard to win as the Eldrazi, but I haven't tried it enough to say for certain yet. Either way, it at least gives more variety. Con: Now I have to wait far too long for the NEXT expansion In summary: this expansion adds a lot of new things that really change the game for the better. Most of my complaints are pretty minor (although I wish there had been more dice, ok, tiny rant is over now) and in general, I enjoy this expansion a lot. it's interesting having squads of only one or two units instead of the usual three and I think in general, this is a great first expansion. Can't wait to see what's coming next!
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Post by bluecloud2k2 on Jan 22, 2016 17:33:23 GMT -6
I FINALLY got mine... a friend of mine pre-ordered it for me as a x-mas gift two days before Amazon made it available for immediate order.
It didn't ship until the 13th of this month. Bastards.
Will be cracking it open soon.
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