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Post by Yawgmoth on Jul 24, 2016 22:05:25 GMT -6
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negmon
Neophyte
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Mana: Green
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Post by negmon on Aug 4, 2016 17:26:44 GMT -6
I am a little confused on the pass through stone ability. This is how I think it works but wanted to check.
She can take one step of her movement, you can place on a new spot up to 4 spaces away on the same elevation no matter what she passed through to get there, roll the dice, apply effects, and end her movement?
Part of of my question is how many spaces can she move? Is it one plus the 4 for 5
or is it up to 8 by combining both movement ?
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Colorcrayons
Apprentice
On a bit of a hiatus, sorry. So busy
Posts: 110
Mana: Red
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Post by Colorcrayons on Aug 4, 2016 19:26:04 GMT -6
The pass through stone ability works after she has moved.
So she can move one space, end her move, then use the ability. She can move 4 spaces, end her move, then use her ability.
This means that she can potentially span 8 spaces.
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Memnarch
Apprentice
The Mirari
Posts: 58
Mana: Colorless
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Post by Memnarch on Dec 20, 2016 2:06:51 GMT -6
Is the Pass Through Stone ability part of Nahiri's movement?
I mean can i attack and cast spells after normal movement and then use Pass Through Stone any time after normal movement?
It's a bit confusing because it says "After moving Nahiri for the first time each turn, you may move her to a space...". But it is an ability which indicates that it is not part of her movement.
Edit:
Can your opponent perform a leaving engagement attack when you use Pass Through Stone?
When rolling 16 or higher, is the damage dealt to all creatures adjacent to your starting space or to all creatures adjacent to the space you are moving to? I guess it's the latter.
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Post by magicmark on Dec 31, 2016 23:02:41 GMT -6
Well the rules state you use creature abilities after step 2 and before step 3, then after step 4 (according to the hasbro mini faq, question 5). So it makes sense that you always use Pass Through Stone after you attack since you have to use it after her first move.
The leaving engagement question is a good one, don't have a difinititive answer but I would go with yes unless specifically stated (like Illusionary Projection's ability "Illusionary Deception"). If you can get a legit answer I'm super curious about this one and I'd like to know.
The damage is after she moves since you have to move then roll the d20.
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Post by magicmark on Dec 31, 2016 23:11:59 GMT -6
So i really want to like Nahiri but I just can't get her to work for me. I freaking love her abilities but it seems like I'm always outmatched. Or I suck at this game.  Any advise, tactics, pointers, or critiques would be welcome. |
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Memnarch
Apprentice
The Mirari
Posts: 58
Mana: Colorless
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Post by Memnarch on Jan 4, 2017 0:46:41 GMT -6
Well the rules state you use creature abilities after step 2 and before step 3, then after step 4 (according to the hasbro mini faq, question 5). So it makes sense that you always use Pass Through Stone after you attack since you have to use it after her first move. The leaving engagement question is a good one, don't have a difinititive answer but I would go with yes unless specifically stated (like Illusionary Projection's ability "Illusionary Deception"). If you can get a legit answer I'm super curious about this one and I'd like to know. The damage is after she moves since you have to move then roll the d20. You are right aboute rolling the d20. But I'm still not sure aboute using activated abilities. The rulebook does not clarify when you can use activated abilities. Accoding to question 5 in the mini faq you can use it before step 3 and after step 4. But according to Question 11 you can even use it between step 3 and 4. I think you can use activated abilities between step 3 and 4. You take leaving engagement damage according to the rulebook page 10, leaving an engagement. Another question is if you can move through your opponent figures (e.q. if you are surrounded by enemy figures). If you follow the normal movement rules, you may not move if you are surrounded by enemy figures. So if you follow movement rules, one way to interpret Pass Through Stone is:
And you have to consider the following: You are e.g. not moving "through" a ruin (because youa are not allowed to do so, rulebook page 9), your are in fact moving around the ruin. And you take leaving-engagement attacks of each figure on the way.
Another possibility how it could work, is the same way Illusionary Deception is working. If Pass Through Stone works like this, you are allowed to move even if you are surrounded. I'll keep playing it in this way.
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Post by magicmark on Jan 4, 2017 16:18:07 GMT -6
You make some valid points memnarch but I'm curious about question 11 in the mini faq. I've looked at three different links and I've only seen up to question 9. If you could provide a link I would be very grateful.
Also, I believe that the ability breaks the rules about moving through objects, and therefor enemy figures as well. If it works anything like the card game, in which many abilities bend and even break a set of simple rules for the game, it would make sense. It also fits with the name of the ability "Pass Through Stone".
I have already contacted Hasbro about when you can use her ability and am waiting for a response. I have been thinking though, if her ability is triggered and not activated then you would be able to use it during phase 3, even the wording says "you may" which sounds like it's triggered by her first move of the turn and then you have the option of using it. This scenario makes the most sense to me. What is your opinion?
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Memnarch
Apprentice
The Mirari
Posts: 58
Mana: Colorless
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Post by Memnarch on Jan 5, 2017 1:21:42 GMT -6
I have found this Semi-official FAQ on BGG. Did you find a official FAQ? You are right it most likely is a triggert ability. But this would make it lot worse, because you would have to use it before attacking. So you are not allowed to cast spells or attack and then use the ability. |
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Post by magicmark on Jan 6, 2017 20:37:05 GMT -6
I don't think they were official, given that they only want up to question 9.
But her ability is still really good, it gives her a total move of 8 and she can jump through ruins, enemies, and random terrain with a chance to deal a little damage. Plus she can drop terrain under herself after she's done to get the height advantage.
I'm a game that's as much about clever positioning as it is how strong you are this can be a game changer, as long as you use her properly.
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Post by biigboss on Sept 3, 2017 15:12:53 GMT -6
The pass through stone ability works after she has moved. So she can move one space, end her move, then use the ability. She can move 4 spaces, end her move, then use her ability. This means that she can potentially span 8 spaces. I read the link but its still super confusing. Dont get me wrong I LOVE THE GAME , im looking for a yes or no answer on this scenerio: 1. Nahiri - the ability of pass through stone can I do this the following a) Cast spell cards b) Move 4 spaces then c) Attack a figure, then d) cast more spell cards, then (up to 3 cards total in turn) e) After move and attack, I Decide to use pass through stone hoping to hit all adjacent enemies with 1 dmg with the 20d. f) THEN teleport 4 spaces away on same height level. g) cast spells again (if i havent used up to 3) Read more: planeswalker-arena.boards.net/thread/508/nahiri-pass-stone-sorin-spells?page=1#ixzz4reWU13aq |
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Post by Yawgmoth on Oct 1, 2017 8:24:58 GMT -6
biigboss: Her pass through stone ability implies extended movement. You use the ability after she has moved, which further implies immediate movement, and not delayed later on in the turn. So go back to step B, and finish her pass through stone, and continue the turn as normal, instead of continuing movement in step F that you illustrated.
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