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Post by Yawgmoth on Jul 2, 2016 10:48:54 GMT -6
Thanks to the user here, Zeek the Sneak, we have first confirmation that a card limit is now given.  In case you can't read the pic, the rules are: * Deck must be comprised of 12 cards that match the color of your chosen Planeswalker. *The point total of the 12 cards cannot exceed 200 points. *You cannot have multiple copies of the same card in the deck.The rules are the same other than that last bit about multiple copies. So now we finally know. The card limit is 1x of each card. That's not to say that there is no point to owning more than a single copy of any card since we have multiple Planeswalkers who are dual colored. There is no need to throw them out if you do own multiple copies. |
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Post by Yawgmoth on Jul 2, 2016 11:07:02 GMT -6
Thank goodness this will limit   to spam powerful spells. Oh wait, has spell card recursion... |
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Post by Aurore on Jul 2, 2016 13:17:52 GMT -6
While I can understand the need of this for reasons, it hurts the flavor of deck making I was going for. Now both Ob-Nixilis and Liliana's decks are almost exactly the same.
We need more cards to work with, until then I will be ignoring this rule because I'm a filthy casual. |
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Post by Yawgmoth on Jul 2, 2016 13:35:50 GMT -6
While I can understand the need of this for reasons, it hurts the flavor of deck making I was going for. Now both Ob-Nixilis and Liliana's decks are almost exactly the same.
We need more cards to work with, until then I will be ignoring this rule because I'm a filthy casual. I don't blame you, with the pool as shallow as it is. Especially since  and  got hosed this round in quantity. I still have 3x of each card. I'll likely get 3x of the new set too. And still plan on being a bit freewheeling with the card limits, but I'm house ruling a firm card limit on . This game will need to be much more bountiful in options before the card limit makes sense. |
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Post by Aurore on Jul 2, 2016 15:38:10 GMT -6
Not to mention how similar their units are. Going off the 600 point rule it's currently Ob-Nixilis with both zombie squads and Liliana with both zombie squads and the hero. Right now Ob-Nixilis is pretty much the "bad" mono- PW in my group. Maybe to get more and cards we'll get a Gitrog Monster expansion~ |
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Post by HlRasr on Jul 2, 2016 22:54:39 GMT -6
I cannot comprehend how allowing more than one copy in a deck would improve flavor or variety. Especially since there are only 12 cards allowed in the deck.
Awesome 600 point liliana team is both eldrazi and the relentless zombies for a total of 590 points. Its a war of attrition team with the death touch enchantment going on the eldrazi scions. Keep the Ruiner and Liliana back and send wave after wave of scions and zombies. This type of build just is not possible with Ob Nixilus (too many points).
It took some time, but I eventually saw that Liliana and Ob Nixilus represent two different build styles. Liliana is more control / creature focused therefore her deck will get more enchantments and work towards a late game. Ob Nixilus leans more towards "all in" suicidal rush with a insta - kill ability for when he gets in over his head. The spells I put in that deck will reflect that.
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Post by Aurore on Jul 3, 2016 0:41:04 GMT -6
Yeah, see? Liliana gets a lot of the control spells, but there aren't enough without going into multiples. Same with Ob and the kill spells. |
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Post by HlRasr on Jul 3, 2016 7:27:30 GMT -6
Deciding to use multiples of effective spells and ditching weaker spells does not seem casual to me. Seems like a form of meta. To each there own. But the merits of limiting spells to one a deck seem to outweigh the cons. And there will always be cards that are just that good. The new  mass kill spell, new staple in all my decks. Well, not all of my decks. I may have a creature swarm build that does not require my planeswalker to be in the fray. The more I think about it, I am having troubles deciding which spells in any color would be considered a must have. Maybe its the opportunity cost in the back of my mind. What am I giving up for this spell? Does it reflect my strategy? Is there something that only this planeswalker can do? Can I build around that? |
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Post by smutteringplib on Jul 3, 2016 18:14:59 GMT -6
Having repeats in a 12 card deck just seems unnecessary.
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Post by darthporkchop on Jul 5, 2016 13:08:42 GMT -6
While I can understand the need of this for reasons, it hurts the flavor of deck making I was going for. Now both Ob-Nixilis and Liliana's decks are almost exactly the same.
We need more cards to work with, until then I will be ignoring this rule because I'm a filthy casual. I hope they keep the singleton rule mainly since the only way to get cards is to buy the whole game. I don't want to have to buy four games to get four copies of one measly card. That said, if they release cards by themselves I would probably join your side quite easily. I just don't see it happening. |
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Post by Yawgmoth on Jul 5, 2016 22:56:41 GMT -6
Deciding to use multiples of effective spells and ditching weaker spells does not seem casual to me. Seems like a form of meta. To each there own. While this is true, I think it is more about catering to variety than creating a deck that games the advantage of redundancy as we see in other CCGs. We are allowed the ability to do so within the rules, yet lack the actual resources to be able to utilize this function. That's where having more than a single copy of a card comes in, at least until the pool is no longer as shallow as Donald Trump. I am all for 1x, in a huge way. It just makes everything easier. Its clean. But I also want to explore what it feels like to deckbuild, and even with Zendikar and Innistrad combined, the choices are few. I see not much wrong with this casually, but I do know from experience that this makes and very strong, with and not gaining much at all (using core cards). If everyone playing at the time is cool with that challenge, then more to them. |
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Post by Colorcrayons on Jul 6, 2016 11:43:34 GMT -6
Its very good to see the official word about card limits now. Hasbro are paying attention.
I'm still glad I have multiples though as I am the one who hosts this game locally, so in order to cater to others, having redundant spells and squads help with the multicolor angle.
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to spam powerful spells.
and 
got hosed this round in quantity.
mass kill spell, new staple in all my 
