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Post by moon on Mar 1, 2018 3:35:48 GMT -6
I designed an army card for Bla ck Cat. This is MTG Origin of the card. I'm not sure about it is balanced or not. There wasn't any cheap hero creature so I made some custom balance choise too. Design Notes: - LPTMR parameters are chosen based on r. zombies. - Size is smaller than goblins. - Killing this card gives the killer good amount disadventage so i need to give the opponent a reason to kill - Most of the heroes have 5(ish with some  bonuses on some conditions) or higher , but a cat can't have that much - So I added deathtouch. - The result is:
Black Cat Hero Creature - Zombie CatL - P - T - M - R1 - 3 - 2 - 5 - 1 Deathtouch Any amount of combat damage Bla ck Cat deals to a defending squad creature is enough to destroy it. Undead Familiar When Bla ck Cat is destroyed in combat, if it is within 3 clear sight space of a figure you control, return the figure back to reserve. Curse of the Black Cat When Bla ck Cat is destroyed with a spell, the caster of the spell discards a card at random. SMALL 2 COST 25  {Edit Notes:}
V. 0.1
- Debuffed "Undead Familiar"; Black Cat is not a deathly killer now. It needs to be close to allies to be dangerous.
- Changed the wording of "Curse of the Black Cat". Thanks to Arcanis.
- Changed the silhouette. I found a better figure.
- Added a Unique Creature icon.
{Old Versions:} V. 0.1Undead FamiliarWhen Bla ck Cat is destroyed in combat, return it back to reserve. Curse of the Black CatWhen Bla ck Cat is destroyed with a spell, the attacking player discards a card at random.  |
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Post by Arcanis on Mar 1, 2018 12:05:14 GMT -6
I like this card. It certainly has a very feel to it. Its small size is also great for being able to use terrain to your advantage as a line of sight blocker - something sadly missing in the official sets. Just a few thoughts on cleaning up the abilities: Undead familiarWhile this is neat and makes it more of a hero type creature than a squad creature it feels a bit out of place - this is usually a  mechanic. Instead, how about 'when Black Cat is destroyed in combat, its controller may discard a card to put it into the figure reserve rather than the figure graveyard'. This would also reduce end-of-game exploitation where one player has an essentially indestructible figure. Curse of the Black CatIf Black Cat is destroyed by a spell this will be outside of combat so there won't be an attacker. I presume more correct wording would be "that spell's controller ..." or, if that's a bit formal for AotP, "the caster of the spell ...". CostWhile a appreciate there needs to be cheaper hero creatures so armies can have mix of creature types, I would put the cost to at least 50. Virulent Swipe gives creatures deathtouch for a single turn and costs 40 but Black Cat has it continuously and a body itself. ... So there are my suggestions. Again, this is a great design and apart from the ideas mentioned above, I think the card is fairly balanced and well put together. |
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Post by moon on Mar 1, 2018 14:17:46 GMT -6
Thank you for your comments. I wasn't sure about wording so I will replace it like you suggested. I wanted to make opponent between two choises of killing. So if s/he kill it with attack, attacker only buys a turn or s/he kill it with a spell permanently and lose an extra spell. So adding an extra penalty for owner of the cat makes this option an instant winner. It has only 1 life and 2 thoughness, it can be easily killed by any attack. The chance of hit is very low and there are not many cards which boost a hero. The only card can be played in order to boost is Inspired charge(for Sorin). Deathtouch is the only thing this cat does anything and it is 1 attack for a turn.(with virulent swipe, 3 boosted creature may attack) Note: 2 , 5  (for Sorin) spell may target this and non of them increase . |
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Post by Arcanis on Mar 2, 2018 3:06:11 GMT -6
I agree with you on the setting and probability of successful attacks. I'd gotten into an MTG mindset thinking you could insta-kill with the Black Cat and then bring him right back to go again. Taking this and the costs of other squad and hero creatures into consideration I think a cost of 40-50 is right for it. I thought of another ability you may want to consider on account of it being small and feline: Whenever Black Cat begins its move step on a water space it must immediately move to a non-water space if able. Great work on this card and thanks for considering my suggestions. |
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Post by moon on Mar 2, 2018 6:48:42 GMT -6
I thought of another ability you may want to consider on account of it being small and feline: Whenever Cat begins its move step on a water space it must immediately move to a non-water space if able. It is a very thematic idea but 4 ability for a card might be overdesign but I will try to use this on my next cat. Actually the cost is my must. I prefer debuffing than increasing the cost. 25pt is very sweat spot for cheap army. I want to design more 25pt army cards for other colors too.(I don't have many figures so I will work on them when I have any) There are some options for 40-60 cost band but there are not any filler army cards. I checked again the cost of the cards but I don't think cost is low. - Skirsdag Cultists' cost is 50pt and it is a 3 figure card with almost same stats and with some kind of reincarnation mechanism too. - Lantern Geists is a 2 figure army with only 30pt and stats are better than this one and they have resummon too. - Restless Zombies' cost is 60pt and it is a 3 figure card with only 1 less thoughness but better reincarnation and synergy with kill your own figure idea. - Also, there are a lot of buff cards for squads which may increase the value of these armies. |
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Post by Arcanis on Mar 2, 2018 9:56:24 GMT -6
Perhaps Feline Aquaphobia could be on a leonin creature.
A final thought on cost:
While those squad creatures are a comparable cost, being a hero creature gives additional advantages over squad creatures such as less burn spells being able to target it.
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Post by moon on Mar 5, 2018 2:30:50 GMT -6
Just "Aquaphobia" would give the concept, i think. On cost, I think the result of our disagreement will be determined by some playtesting.  Thank you for helpful discussion, Ps: 1  , 1 damage cards target only squads and 3 cards destroy only squads. lose some cards but Avacyn's ability kills the cat without any cost. |
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Post by Zeek the Sneak on Mar 5, 2018 12:30:31 GMT -6
what mini did you use?
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Post by moon on Mar 5, 2018 15:48:13 GMT -6
From a suprise egg, i think. I grab it from one of my friends'. And i am going to glue it onto 32mm figure base.(I am still waiting the bases)
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Post by moon on Mar 11, 2018 5:30:54 GMT -6
I editted the card, debuffed a bit and changed wording.
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Post by d20tom on May 10, 2018 18:23:22 GMT -6
Pretty cool, thanks for sharing. I'm new to this group but so far I like what I see.
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Post by joechamp on Nov 9, 2018 4:39:20 GMT -6
I like an plan to add it to my collection if I may few personal changes I think 3P is way to high for all types of reasons it’s just a cat and it’s just a spirit and that one sword is all it needs to kill anything right?
Love the design and idea very nice my sets on in the way and I plan on making this game my new hobbie!
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Post by moon on Nov 9, 2018 11:24:00 GMT -6
I am always open to any comment and i am glad to you like the card. It is a zombified enchanted hero cat. Less than 3P make it only a just good design, good flavour but no use.
I honestly want to hear your mentioned changes.
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Post by joechamp on Nov 11, 2018 12:59:42 GMT -6
Didn’t realize it realize it was a Hero Card my bad bro, still not 100% not sure how they work, but my collection will be in house by The 19th and I’ll do some reading!
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bonuses on some conditions) or higher 
Hero Creature - Zombie Cat
mechanic. Instead, how about 'when Black Cat is destroyed in combat, its controller may discard a card to put it into the figure reserve rather than the figure graveyard'. This would also reduce end-of-game exploitation where one player has an essentially indestructible figure.
(for Sorin) spell may target this and non of them increase 
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