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GUILD LEADERS Mar 11, 2017 20:41:17 GMT -6 zackzeta and eklaffer1313 like this

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Post by omnath on Mar 11, 2017 20:41:17 GMT -6

Hello! I designed hero creature cards for each of the guild leaders from Ravnica. Let me know what you think and feel free to give suggestions, comments, and questions!

Aurelia, the Warleader (WR)
Hero Creature - Angel
6 Life
Move 6
Range 1
Attack 3
Defense 4
Flying
Haste
Assemble the Legion
After Aurelia, the Warleader moves and attacks for the first time each turn, she may move and attack for a second time that turn.
Medium 5
Cost 100

Rakdos, Lord of Riots (BR)
Hero Creature - Demon
6 Life
Move 6
Range 1
Attack 3
Defense 3
Flying
Trample
Hellbent
While attacking creatures, Rakdos, Lord of Riots gets +1 attack for each damage marker on the defending creature.
Large 7
Cost 100

Obzedat, Ghost Council (WB)
Hero Creature - Spirit Advisor
4 Life
Move 5
Range 3
Attack 3
Defense 3
Phantom Walk
Obzedat, Ghost Council can move through other figures and can’t be attacked when leaving engagement.
Extort the Debtors
At the end of Obzedat, Ghost Council’s turn, you may remove up to 2 damage counters from Obzedat, Ghost Council.
Medium 4
Cost 100

Borborygmos (RG)
Hero Creature - Cyclops
7 Life
Move 4
Range 1
Attack 7
Defense 3
Trample
Call the Gruul
Whenever Borborygmos deals combat damage, you may put a +1 attack counter on a squad you control.
Huge 8
Cost 150

Isperia, Supreme Judge (WU)
Hero Creature - Sphinx
8 Life
Move 6
Range 5
Attack 3
Defense 2
Flying
Detain
When you summon Isperia, Supreme Judge, choose target squad an opponent controls. That squad and each other squad that opponent controls with the same name as that squad can’t take a turn during the opponent’s next turn.
Wealth of Knowledge
The maximum total cost of spell cards you may include in your library is increased by 25 points.
Large 6 (Isperia, Supreme Judge takes up 2 spaces)
Cost 100

Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord (BG)
Hero Creature - Zombie Elf
5 Life
Move 5
Range 1
Attack 1
Defense 1
Scavenge the Dead
At the beginning of Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s turn, you may exile a figure from your figure graveyard, if you do, you may put a +1 attack or a +1 defense counter on Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s army card.
Dredge from the Dead
At the start of the turn of a planeswalker you control, you may sacrifice a Black

or

creature you control. If you do, return Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord and his army card from your figure graveyard and army card graveyard to your reserve.
Medium 4
Cost 100

Prime Speaker Zegana (UG)
Hero Creature - Merfolk Wizard
5 Life
Move 5
Range 6
Attack 1
Defense 3
Leader of the Combine
When you summon Prime Speaker Zegana, place three +1 attack counters on her army card.
Sea Born
Prime Speaker Zegana may move through water spaces without stopping movement, and it gets +2 defense while in water.
Graft
At the beginning of Prime Speaker Zegana’s turn, you may remove a +1 attack counter from her army card. If you do, draw two cards.
Medium 4
Cost 100

Lazav, Dimir Mastermind (UB)
Hero Creature - Shapeshifter
6 Life
Move 6
Range 1
Attack 3
Defense 3
Hexproof
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind cannot be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control and cannot be enchanted by enchantments your opponents control.
Shapeshift
Whenever a figure is placed into the figure graveyard, you may have Lazav, Dimir Mastermind become a copy of that card except its name is still Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, it’s a hero creature - shapeshifter in addition to its other types, its figurine does not change, its size does not change, its cost does not change, it gains hexproof, and this ability.
Medium 4
Cost 100

Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius (UR)
Hero Creature - Dragon Wizard
6 Life
Move 6
Range 1
Attack 4
Defense 3
Flying
Fireball
At the end of Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius’ turn you may deal 3 damage divided as you choose among any number of creatures within 5 clear-spaces of Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius.
Wealth of Knowledge
The maximum total cost of spell cards you may include in your library is increased by 25 points.
Large 6 (Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius takes up two spaces)
Cost 150

Trostani, Selesnya’s Voice (WG)
Hero Creature - Dryad
6 Life
Move 5
Range 1
Attack 2
Defense 5
Tend to the Wounded
At the beginning of Trostani, Selesnya’s Voice’s turn you may remove up to one damage marker from any number of friendly figures adjacent to Trostani, Selesnya’s Voice.
Medium 4
Cost 100

Last Edit: Mar 12, 2017 7:29:41 GMT -6 by omnath

Targanth
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GUILD LEADERS Mar 12, 2017 11:47:23 GMT -6

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Post by Targanth on Mar 12, 2017 11:47:23 GMT -6

As I'm not a Mtg player, I can't comment on the theme element of these cards. I do have a question and then some comments on a few of the powers. I will say that some of the powers seem quite strong, but only play-testing would tell if they are overpowered.

The question relates to all of the cards. In the rules as written for AotP, none of the armies that can be summoned are multicolored, only PWs are multicolored. That means that there are currently no rules for multicolored armies. What is your intention for these cards - can they be summoned by a PW with either one of the colors, or must it be summoned by a PW that is both of the colors on the card?

Now on to the comments.

Isperia, Supreme Judge (WU)
Wealth of Knowledge
The maximum total cost of spell cards you may include in your library is increased by 25 points.
Currently Wealth of Knowledge is only a PW Power

, and only PWs have spell libraries. Other army card powers can only be used when the army is summoned. If this Power

is activated as soon as the army card is selected for the army, it probably needs to specifically state that is how it works. If it is intended to become active only when Isperia is summoned, then it seems that the PW will gain both 25 spell points AND and extra card in the spell deck. Also, if I have 2 army cards that both provide Wealth of Knowledge, does it stack to become 50 points?

Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord (BG)
Scavenge the Dead
At the beginning of Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s turn, you may exile a figure from your figure graveyard, if you do, you may put a +1 attack or a +1 defense counter on Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s army card.
The wording here may need to be a bit clearer. I think you mean to select a figure from your figure graveyard and return it to your reserve. Or do you mean that you can exile a figure TO your graveyard and put a counter in the card?

Dredge from the Dead
At the start of the turn of a planeswalker you control, you may sacrifice a or creature you control. If you do, return Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord and his army card from your figure graveyard and army card graveyard to your reserve.
General rules would have only 1 PW in a player's army. That seems to make it difficult to ever have this Power

activate, since if Jarad is in your graveyard you have no PW that can be activated. If it is intended for a team game, where the PW belonging to a teammate can use the Power

, then it needs to state that it can be a friendly PW.

Lazav, Dimir Mastermind (UB)
Hexproof
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind cannot be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control and cannot be enchanted by enchantments your opponents control.
If this is a Power

that already exists on an official card, I didn't find it. I take it to mean that Lazav can only be damaged by an attack roll or by a card such as Trample, where Lazav is nit the target of the attack roll; or by friendly fire.

Shapeshift
Whenever a figure is placed into the figure graveyard, you may have Lazav, Dimir Mastermind become a copy of that card except its name is still Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, it’s a hero creature - shapeshifter in addition to its other types, its figurine does not change, its size does not change, its cost does not change, it gains hexproof, and this ability.
I think that this will be difficult in actual play. However, one comment is relates to using shapeshift on a squad figure that has gone into your graveyard. Since the squad figure army card may not yet be in the graveyard, one army card may be pointing to two different figures. A second comment relates to how many different Laxav figures may exist at the same time. It is fairly clear that he has shifted from one for to another, but I'd suggest that the card be specific that only one figure may be Lazav at a time. It also brings up another question: If Lazav shapeshifts into figure 1 when figure 1 is placed into your graveyard, Lazav can then choose to shapeshift to figure 2 when figure 2 is placed into your graveyard. What happens to figure 1 when this happens? I expect it will go to the graveyard. Whatever you intend, I think it needs to be clearly explained.

Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius (UR)
Wealth of Knowledge
The maximum total cost of spell cards you may include in your library is increased by 25 points.
Same comment as for Isperia.

You've done a nice job with these overall, as far as I can tell by reading them. Thanks for posting them!

omnath
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GUILD LEADERS Mar 12, 2017 17:40:52 GMT -6

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Post by omnath on Mar 12, 2017 17:40:52 GMT -6

Thank you so much for your feedback, it is much appreciated.

The theme is as follows:
On the plane (world) of Ravnica, there are 10 guilds (each is one of the ten possible two-color combinations) who struggle for Power

among each other. Ravnica is an entire world that is basically one enormous city. The ten guilds each have a super-powerful guild leader that is the same colors as the guild that lead their guild. The hero creatures I made are those guild leaders. The guilds are as follows:

The Azorious Senate ( White

):
The Azorious Senate functions as the legislative branch in Ravnica, they police the streets, arrest wrongdoers, convict and jail criminals.

The Orzhov Syndicate ( White

):
The Orzhov Syndicate is made up of members of the corrupt Church of Orzhov. The Church extorts everyone, you don't move up the hierarchy or even stay alive without paying exorbitant sums of gold. Many of the worshippers of the Church are tricked into signing themselves into lifetimes of servitude by the Church. Those higher up in the Church use magical means to extend their existence past death and reanimate their servants/debtors so that they can work for many lifetimes.

The House Dimir ( Black

):
The House Dimir is a guild of secrecy and exists in the shadows. They are cunning, cutthroat, and so secretive that many of their agents don't even know who they are working for. They specialize in espionage, smuggling, burglary, counter-intelligence, assassination and other illegal activities.

The Izzet League ( Red

):
The Izzet League maintain the civic works such as the waterways, roads, heating systems, etcetera. The Izzet are also scientists and scholars motivated by curiosity and the pursuit of knowledge. They conduct large experiments with either spectacular or disastrous results and most fit the description of "mad scientists."

The Cult of Rakdos ( Red

):
The Rakdos Cult provides manual labor and their version of "entertainment." The Rakdos have many "entertainment" clubs and facilities which have crazy and deadly partying as their rule of thumb for entertainment is "it's all fun and games once someone loses an eye."

The Golgari Swarm ( Black

):
The Golgari dwell in the sewers of Ravnica and are a guild consisting of mostly necromancers and shambling zombies. The Golgari believe that death and life are essential to each other. The Golgari do not let anything go to waste and similar to decomposers, they harvest the dead. The Golgari basically function as the decomposers of Ravnica.

The Gruul Clans ( Red

):
The Gruul who used to dwell in the forests, have seen virtually all of their forest turned into city. The Gruul lack much organization and are mostly just an assortment of clans that know to do what their leader Borborygmos says. The Gruul are fierce beasts and strong brutes, they often go on raids, demolishing entire areas of the city in the name of nature.

The Boros Legion ( White

):
The Boros Legion are the righteous and zealous army of Ravnica. They enforce the laws made by the Azorius Senate and enforce law and order.

The Selesnya Conclave ( Green

):
The Selesnya are peace-loving, nature-loving, and nurturing who worship nature.

The Simic Combine ( Blue

):
The Simic are devoted to the study of life, medicine, and biology. Many live underwater and perform experiments with DNA and fuse animals organisms together in the name of science.

Each guild leader is the colors of their respective guild.

omnath
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GUILD LEADERS Mar 12, 2017 18:01:59 GMT -6

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Post by omnath on Mar 12, 2017 18:01:59 GMT -6

As I'm not a Mtg player, I can't comment on the theme element of these cards. I do have a question and then some comments on a few of the powers. I will say that some of the powers seem quite strong, but only play-testing would tell if they are overpowered.

The question relates to all of the cards. In the rules as written for AotP, none of the armies that can be summoned are multicolored, only PWs are multicolored. That means that there are currently no rules for multicolored armies. What is your intention for these cards - can they be summoned by a PW with either one of the colors, or must it be summoned by a PW that is both of the colors on the card?]it is intended to become active only when Isperia is summoned, then it seems that the PW will gain both 25 spell points AND and extra card in the spell deck. Also, if I have 2 army cards that both provide Wealth of Knowledge, does it stack to become 50 points?

I agree that some of the abilities might be too powerful or need a bit of fixing up and I will playtest them and fix them up.

Yes, the multi-colored heroes can only be used by a planeswalker that has both of the colors, that would be how it would work in MTG. Basically, for the Wealth of Knowledge cards, I assumed that if you were using that hero creature as one of your army cards then you would just build a deck with 25 more beforehand. Yes, the Wealth of Knowledge abilities would add on so if you had 2 then you would get 50 extra points and so on.

Since, as I mentioned above, the guild leaders are very powerful beings (comparable in Power

to some planeswalkers) I was considering making them more powerful and larger cost and have them function as your planeswalker, then maybe create some guild squads designed to be used by the guild leaders (and of course they could use squads in their colors from the official Arena of the Planeswalkers). What would you think of that idea?

omnath
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GUILD LEADERS Mar 12, 2017 18:26:33 GMT -6

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Mar 12, 2017 11:47:23 GMT -6 Targanth said:

Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord (BG)
Scavenge the Dead
At the beginning of Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s turn, you may exile a figure from your figure graveyard, if you do, you may put a +1 attack or a +1 defense counter on Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s army card.
The wording here may need to be a bit clearer. I think you mean to select a figure from your figure graveyard and return it to your reserve. Or do you mean that you can exile a figure TO your graveyard and put a counter in the card?

Dredge from the Dead
At the start of the turn of a planeswalker you control, you may sacrifice a or creature you control. If you do, return Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord and his army card from your figure graveyard and army card graveyard to your reserve.
General rules would have only 1 PW in a player's army. That seems to make it difficult to ever have this Power

activate, since if Jarad is in your graveyard you have no PW that can be activated. If it is intended for a team game, where the PW belonging to a teammate can use the Power

, then it needs to state that it can be a friendly PW.

Lazav, Dimir Mastermind (UB)
Hexproof
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind cannot be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control and cannot be enchanted by enchantments your opponents control.
If this is a Power

that already exists on an official card, I didn't find it. I take it to mean that Lazav can only be damaged by an attack roll or by a card such as Trample, where Lazav is nit the target of the attack roll; or by friendly fire.

Shapeshift
Whenever a figure is placed into the figure graveyard, you may have Lazav, Dimir Mastermind become a copy of that card except its name is still Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, it’s a hero creature - shapeshifter in addition to its other types, its figurine does not change, its size does not change, its cost does not change, it gains hexproof, and this ability.
I think that this will be difficult in actual play. However, one comment is relates to using shapeshift on a squad figure that has gone into your graveyard. Since the squad figure army card may not yet be in the graveyard, one army card may be pointing to two different figures. A second comment relates to how many different Laxav figures may exist at the same time. It is fairly clear that he has shifted from one for to another, but I'd suggest that the card be specific that only one figure may be Lazav at a time. It also brings up another question: If Lazav shapeshifts into figure 1 when figure 1 is placed into your graveyard, Lazav can then choose to shapeshift to figure 2 when figure 2 is placed into your graveyard. What happens to figure 1 when this happens? I expect it will go to the graveyard. Whatever you intend, I think it needs to be clearly explained.

Scavenge the Dead
So in MTG there is your hand where the stuff you havn't played yet is, the battlefield where the stuff you have played is, the graveyard where the dead stuff is. In MTG there are cards (mostly in Black

) that can return cards from the graveyard to your hand or to the battlefield. However, in MTG there is another place: the exile zone, a state of oblivion from which there is no return. There are also reanimators in Arena of the Planeswalkers also, cards that return creatures from the figure graveyard to the battlefield and also the restless zombies which can come back from the figure graveyard to their reserve. I didn't want Jarad to be able to sacrifice the restless zombies and then just have them come back, letting you do the ability over and over again. So if he used this ability the figure would be basically removed from the graveyard and put into exile (back in the box, further away from the game, ect.).

Dredge from the Dead
Sorry, I'm not sure what you meant there.

Hexproof
Yes your interpretation was what I meant, but I see how I should make that clearer. A better way to phrase it might be "Lazav cannot be dealt damage, enchanted or affected by cards your opponents control and abilities of figures your opponents control." Lazav could still be enchanted, affected ect by your or freindly spells/abilities. Abilities such as trample, lifelink, or first strike still work when attacking Lazav as they are characteristics of the attacking creature but an ability like detain or Jace's mind stealer would not work on him.

Shapeshift
Looking at this ability now, I worded it awfully. Would the wording "Whenever a figure is placed into the figure graveyard, Lazav may acquire all the abilities of the the figure and change his move, range, attack, and defense to that of the figure" provide clarification and be a better wording?

Targanth
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GUILD LEADERS Mar 12, 2017 21:34:27 GMT -6

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omnath,
Thanks for your clarifications. Most helpful!

For Scavenge the Dead, you've explained it to me now. As you noted, there area few differences in terminology between the two games. These certainly become tricky to explain, because not everyone will have insight into the proper use of similar terms. AotP does not use Exile in the manner that you've used it, so to me it is a new term. As I review powers, if a term that is not used in the AotP rule books is used, I point it out. It may need an explanation so that all players interpret it in the same way.

How about:
At the beginning of Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s turn, you may select a figure from your graveyard to remove from the game. That figure may no longer be used during this game. If you do, you may put a +1 attack or a +1 defense counter on Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s army card.

Or:
At the beginning of Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s turn, you may select a figure from your graveyard to remove permanently from this game. If you do, you may put a +1 attack or a +1 defense counter on Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s army card.

Dredge from the Dead
This one was my bad. I somehow decided that Jarad was a planeswalker, even though he is not. Ignore the rest of the comment.

For Hexproof, I don't have a better wording solution than those you've provided. Actually (space permitting) you might add your additional phrase to the Power

for clarity: Abilities such as trample, lifelink, or first strike still work when attacking Lazav

For Shapeshift, an additional question. It reads that I could choose an opponent figure. Is that correct?

The Power

makes sense. The new wording is more concise.
It is the logistics of using the Power

that I'm not sure of.

If I copy an opponent's squad figure (probably not the smartest thing to do, but we should consider all possibilities), my opponent has the card in front of them and I don't have a copy of the card to refer to. Now we are passing it back and forth, remembering what counters each player had on their copy of the card, etc.
My initial feeling was that having it only apply to a Hero figure going to the graveyard would be smoother, since the owner would no longer be using the card. That, however, would be a significant limitation to the Power

. Perhaps someone else will chime in with ideas for making sure that it plays smoothly. It may already be smooth enough and need no additional changes.

omnath
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GUILD LEADERS Mar 13, 2017 12:47:35 GMT -6

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Post by omnath on Mar 13, 2017 12:47:35 GMT -6

omnath,
Thanks for your clarifications. Most helpful!

For Scavenge the Dead, you've explained it to me now. As you noted, there area few differences in terminology between the two games. These certainly become tricky to explain, because not everyone will have insight into the proper use of similar terms. AotP does not use Exile in the manner that you've used it, so to me it is a new term. As I review powers, if a term that is not used in the AotP rule books is used, I point it out. It may need an explanation so that all players interpret it in the same way.

How about:
At the beginning of Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s turn, you may select a figure from your graveyard to remove from the game. That figure may no longer be used during this game. If you do, you may put a +1 attack or a +1 defense counter on Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s army card.

Or:
At the beginning of Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s turn, you may select a figure from your graveyard to remove permanently from this game. If you do, you may put a +1 attack or a +1 defense counter on Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord’s army card.

Dredge from the Dead
This one was my bad. I somehow decided that Jarad was a planeswalker, even though he is not. Ignore the rest of the comment.

For Hexproof, I don't have a better wording solution than those you've provided. Actually (space permitting) you might add your additional phrase to the Power

for clarity: Abilities such as trample, lifelink, or first strike still work when attacking Lazav

For Shapeshift, an additional question. It reads that I could choose an opponent figure. Is that correct?

The Power

makes sense. The new wording is more concise.
It is the logistics of using the Power

that I'm not sure of.

If I copy an opponent's squad figure (probably not the smartest thing to do, but we should consider all possibilities), my opponent has the card in front of them and I don't have a copy of the card to refer to. Now we are passing it back and forth, remembering what counters each player had on their copy of the card, etc.
My initial feeling was that having it only apply to a Hero figure going to the graveyard would be smoother, since the owner would no longer be using the card. That, however, would be a significant limitation to the Power

. Perhaps someone else will chime in with ideas for making sure that it plays smoothly. It may already be smooth enough and need no additional changes.

I agree that Scavenge the Dead the way I worded it before could be confusing or unclear in how it works to non-MTG players and will definitely use a wording more similar to one of the ones you just provided.

Hexproof, again based off of an MTG ability seems hard to word without possible discrepancies in what Hexproof does and doesn't prevent against. Perhaps I will include the additional phrase for clarity or just try to think of a better way to word the ability entirely to distinguish what it does and doesn't protect against.

Yes, Shapeshift would work on opponents figures. I agree that there might be a bit of a hassle if you chose a squad creature but I assumed that it wouldn't be too much of a pain to take note of Lazav's new abilities and stats or refer to the opponents army card when needed and I also assumed that most of the time Shapeshift would be done on hero creatures anyway since they would be the best for Lazav to copy.

Thank you so much for your comments as they were super-helpful and hopefully others will also chime in with ideas or critiques.

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