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Post by coyote81 on Jul 13, 2016 20:49:12 GMT -6
Am I reading it correct, I get choose the order in which I activate the End of Turn abilities on Arlinn?
Ex:Turn 1- I shoot someone from range->End of turn (EoT) I Transform her-> Then I use the abilities to give one of my units +1 swords.
Turn 2- I move and melee someone with Arlinn ->EoT I use the abilities to give one of my units +1 swords -> Then I transform Arlinn
I use the abilties in different orders in the 2 turns, I can't find anything that says I have to do them in a certain order.
What do you think?
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Post by mineman1 on Jul 14, 2016 6:23:14 GMT -6
The two sides of the cards are named differently (ignoring titles). On one side is Arline Kord, and on the other side is just Arline. So in the first example you are trying to activate Arline Kord's transformation and then Arline's ability; that order of operations is incorrect. However in the second example you are activating Arline's ability and Arline's Transformation which is correct. To summarize if you are transforming from side 1 to side 2 you cannot activate side 2's ability.(and vise versa)
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Post by coyote81 on Jul 14, 2016 7:56:48 GMT -6
The two sides of the cards are named differently (ignoring titles). On one side is Arline Kord, and on the other side is just Arline. So in the first example you are trying to activate Arline Kord's transformation and then Arline's ability; that order of operations is incorrect. However in the second example you are activating Arline's ability and Arline's Transformation which is correct. To summarize if you are transforming from side 1 to side 2 you cannot activate side 2's ability.(and vise versa) Your argument based on name spelling doesn't really stand. They are both spelled Arlinn. Side one is Arlinn Kord, and her ability references Arlinn Kord, but side 2 is Arlinn Moonblessed, and that side only references Arlinn. So it seems you can shoot your bow, flip to side 2 and benefit. But you cannot kill something with side 2, flip then do a free damage. |
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Post by kajoq on Jul 14, 2016 11:13:21 GMT -6
Copying a question and then my reply from Heroscapers forum along these lines:
Originally Posted by gamjuven
Taking a page from M:TG I would say these abilities should read 'At the beginning of the end step' so that you could have multiple end step triggers which you can place on the stack in whatever order you choose, BUT it would clear up the confusion of this.
Basically what I'm getting at is:
Arlinn can only trigger the abilities on ONE side of her card per turn (whichever the face-up side was that turn)
If she's in Human mode and a figure was destroyed you could put both Transform and Archmage's assault on the stack. Resolve them in the order you want, and then even though she now has Howl, it is past the time for that to trigger (since the end step has already begun) and her turn ends.
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Post by whiteweasel112 on Jul 14, 2016 14:31:33 GMT -6
Copying a question and then my reply from Heroscapers forum along these lines: Originally Posted by gamjuven Taking a page from M:TG I would say these abilities should read 'At the beginning of the end step' so that you could have multiple end step triggers which you can place on the stack in whatever order you choose, BUT it would clear up the confusion of this. Basically what I'm getting at is: Arlinn can only trigger the abilities on ONE side of her card per turn (whichever the face-up side was that turn) If she's in Human mode and a figure was destroyed you could put both Transform and Archmage's assault on the stack. Resolve them in the order you want, and then even though she now has Howl, it is past the time for that to trigger (since the end step has already begun) and her turn ends. I agree with kajoq. This is how I played it using the same reasoning from MTG as well. |
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Post by coyote81 on Jul 14, 2016 19:27:12 GMT -6
Copying a question and then my reply from Heroscapers forum along these lines: Originally Posted by gamjuven Taking a page from M:TG I would say these abilities should read 'At the beginning of the end step' so that you could have multiple end step triggers which you can place on the stack in whatever order you choose, BUT it would clear up the confusion of this. Basically what I'm getting at is: Arlinn can only trigger the abilities on ONE side of her card per turn (whichever the face-up side was that turn) If she's in Human mode and a figure was destroyed you could put both Transform and Archmage's assault on the stack. Resolve them in the order you want, and then even though she now has Howl, it is past the time for that to trigger (since the end step has already begun) and her turn ends. This isn't how the transform cards currently work though. There is a good article the explains it. magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/shadows-over-innistrad-mechanics But basically, as soon as the transform card flips, it is allowed to use any abilities that it meets the requirement for, even flipping back over, like the elusive tormentor. In Arlinn's case, they need to change the text to say At the beginning of the end step, or specify Arlinn Moonblessed in the second ability to prevent it from meeting the requirements. As of right now, RAW, you can shoot with Arlinn Kord, flip and get a +1 attack counter for a unit. |
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Post by kajoq on Jul 15, 2016 8:15:51 GMT -6
The wording is bad, but you and I both know it's not intended to be able to use both abilities in one turn.
You are already 'At the End of Arlinn's turn' by the time the card has flipped. Once Arlinn is at the end of her turn, she no longer has an opportunity to use any of her abilities. This is a trigger.
IE:
Arlinn is in human mode. 'Arlinn Kord, Goldnight Outcast'
Moves and Kills a figure.
Proceeds to 'End of Turn'
Archmage's Assault + Transform both placed on 'stack' in whatever order you choose.
Resolve them.
Arlinn's card gets flipped to 'Arlinn, Moon-Blessed', since she has 'Ended her Turn' neither Howl nor Transform will trigger.
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icon to a squad? I am hoping you can only use one ability. There also isn't a limit clause to the transform ability. What's to stop someone from transforming to get both bonuses and then just finish transforming to the form they want? I doubt you can use transform twice but I thought I'd ask. I also don't think you can just keep transforming and using both abilities but there really isn't anything in the rulebook that says otherwise.