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Post by stealthpike on May 15, 2016 12:01:52 GMT -6
Well, this is the grouch pit, so I thought I'd post this here. I feel like J. Jonah Jameson. "I want pictures of SPIDERMAN!! Innistrad expansion! Right now, this game is still very small, all things considered, and I'm worried that if they keep producing expansions at this rate, they will lose people, and thus profits, until they decide to scrap the idea nad keep their focus on the card game. Thoughts? Fellows expansion needers?  |
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Post by Toshi Umezawa on May 15, 2016 12:33:53 GMT -6
I can guarantee they will always have at least one customer, stealthpike . I for one can understand their slow process as they weren't too sure of the possible success of this game until the release of the BFZ expansion. As the base game stands it is a different beast from collectible card/miniature games. With collectible games it can be a strong suit to have figures and cards randomly placed in fast made packages and sold for a gambling style sale tactic. The down side of such a practice is consumer want/need. Let's say the best figure/card is created and highly sought after and people including myself will tend to head online or to a store and not bother with the risk that is posed by randomized packs. Another, downside is that the faster the figures/cards are produced the less playtesting they receive and ultimately gets cards/figs banned in competitive/shop play which due to a particular unforeseen combo that whether a specific person is or isn't doing they by owning that item are no longer able to use it (I'm thinking of you Obi-Wan).
As for the positive of Arena's method of sale. You always know that when you buy a game/expansion you will receive the same balanced figures and cards, unlike the previous with which someone has more money than you they will generally always have a better army/deck. As for it's downside it has a slow release schedule that won't lose the fans of the game but casuals will probably lose interest or just forget that they own it in the first place. The best thing is that this game is cheap at $30 max for five players that $6 per player and only one person has to spend the money if the cost is not split. This adds a special dynamic to the sale of this game that it is not required to sell multiple copies of the game but it tends to happen based on word of mouth.
So, my final verdict is that I'm not all to sure and just rambling. But, with what little we have now is still so entertaining for me able to play 2-3 games a week and not be bored.
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Post by Targanth on May 16, 2016 7:33:36 GMT -6
My guess is that we will start to see a few details around the middle of June. I'm also guessing that Amazon will be the first to have this available, and it will start being delivered in the first couple of weeks of July, with other retailers getting it in August/September. This would be similar to what was done last year.
As for frequency, I 'wish' expansions were more frequent. At the beginning of Heroscape, expansions came out reasonably frequently, but were sold out fairly quickly. If an expansion sold out shortly before a following expansion was ready to drop, it did not get reprinted for quite a while (years). That made many of the expansions difficult to locate. I think they are trying a slower approach this time.
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Post by kajoq on May 16, 2016 12:56:32 GMT -6
Yeah, We're more or less stuck waiting until aft er spoiler season for Eldritch Moon before we'll get anything for AoTP. It's unlikely they'll spoil any of the story stuff via this game as opposed to via the card game and its related articles
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Post by NoSorumbo on May 16, 2016 14:52:50 GMT -6
stealthpike , I couldn't agree more. Maybe I am accustomed to backing kickstarters that define expansions 1, 2 and 3 on day one, but its way too tough to wait for AOTP's expansions. I'm just disappointed that there is tons of lore in the MTG franchise already in existence, but the game designers are resigned to wait until a new set is released. This sounds super negative, I know, but this is the grouch pit. Nonetheless, my solution that I offer to you was to make customs and to constantly playtest them (for balance) so I can make this kind of like my own game... Suffice to say I am happy with my personal decision. It keeps the game fresh for my playgroup. This way, I can still welcome official expansions, but I will always have my own stuff personal stamp on the game.
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Post by gideonjura on May 16, 2016 18:55:53 GMT -6
one theory ive had is that the game (AoTP, soi) has a lot of lore from eldrich moon and if news came out about it now it would destroy the surprise during spoiler season. two heroes scape failed and is being given a second chance, i believe theyre taking a more cautious approach so that this game thrives.
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Post by Targanth on May 17, 2016 16:05:11 GMT -6
two heroes scape failed and is being given a second chance, i believe theyre taking a more cautious approach so that this game thrives. I both agree and disagree with this statement  . Heroscape had 3 master sets, 13 small expansion waves (4 different booster packages in each wave), 3 large expansions and 4 large terrain expansions over the course of 6 or 7 years. That's a pretty successful failure. I don't think the game failed. However, it went out of production, so there was a failure. Many believe that one of the main reasons Heroscape did not continue was based on the packaging and SKU #s. Those 4 different packages of figures in each wave all had the same SKU, meaning that a store could not re-order only a popular booster, they had to order the entire package with all 4 boosters. Some of the boosters in a package had common squads (multiple in an army), while other packages had unique heroes and squads (1 per army). With the same SKU#, the store (wal*mart) only knew they had 10 boosters on the shelf, and they didn't need to order more. If all 10 of those boosters were identical (because the common boosters had sold), there was dead shelf space, which probably killed the product. So, I suspect that AotP has been developed with a different packaging and distribution strategy. To see if that distribution strategy works better than the Heroscape model, they are taking it slow. |
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Post by gideonjura on May 17, 2016 20:39:31 GMT -6
sorry for the confusion but yes exactly what i ment |
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