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Post by Yawgmoth on Jul 20, 2016 11:39:39 GMT -6
So we have precedence that the next expansion to match the next M:tG block, "Kaladesh". Here is what we know about Kaladesh plane so far: "Kaladesh (first glimpsed in Magic Origins as the birthplane of Chandra Nalaar) is an ethnically diverse plane where natural mages are rare. Work that would be done with magic on other planes is instead accomplished through devices. The automatons, thopters and other artifact creatures of the plane are fueled by aether, which is heavily trafficked. Artifacts are built as much for beauty as for function. Fire magic is strictly banned, and pyromancy punishable with a death sentence. Kaladesh is ruled by Consuls. Their forces and works are nearly omnipresent." That info is gleaned from MtG salvation wiki. Since mechanical designs seems to be the theme, it looks likely that we may expect artifacts and maybe even Planeswalker(s). And likely, a new version of Chandra as well. Wizards also revealed art for a new Planeswalker for the set, named 'Saheeli Rai'. Judging by the art, its not easy to discern color choice, if any. Some speculation seems to point to and maybe , considering how wizards uses their art palette to identify what a card belongs to. Since the second expansion/core set came out precisely the same day this year as the Core did last year, I would wager we will see Kaladesh in February as we saw Zendikar released. As for wish listing, I hope Hasbro does away with the small expansion thing, and continue to create standalones if we never see tiny specific packs that was seen in Heroscape days. We seem to get a lot more bang for the bunch with standalones for not much more cost. I hope we see some line of sight blocker terrain as well. It's an artifact heavy plane, so some pillars that mimic the old rocks or something would be aces. And for the love of god, grant some love with a hero. And some spells. Do you have any new info or opinions to share?
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Post by coyote81 on Jul 21, 2016 0:45:48 GMT -6
I'd like to see more support summons, units that buff the planeswalker, or other units. Maybe Units that can single spells of their own. Artifacts could be interesting. I'd also like to see a hybrid creature or two. Giving more variety to army builds.
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Post by Colorcrayons on Jul 21, 2016 12:05:02 GMT -6
Other than artifacts being a likely theme, I am at a complete loss as what to expect from it. I thought common squads would have been a safe bet for Innistrad, so I won't be so bold as to assume we will see them in Kaladesh either. But if I had to take a stab, I would guess: If all planeswalkers are human sized, then we will get 5. 1 , 1 , 1 , 1 , 1 . Which is equal representation for each color, and color combos not yet seen. I would guess Chandra to be included too, but she has never been multicolored that I have seen. But if she were, I'd guess to match her vengeance. I think there is a good chance to get a large creature, but I'd rather see more squads for each color. Or just more squads in general. Chances are good that artifact creatures may be the way the entire expansion will go, which is good because then any planeswalker would be able to take them, making playability of that set the best one so far. But with that adaptability would come with weaknesses that will make the squads not as good as colored counterparts. So I think just one or two squads of will be seen at most. I also hope they just stick with big standalone boxes. They're just better in nearly every way even if 50% more expensive than a small box. Clockwork terrain would be nifty. Like an Orrery.
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Post by Targanth on Jul 21, 2016 13:33:31 GMT -6
I like what has been suggested so far. As I don't follow MtG, I can't be specific about anything.
My guess is that it will be expansion size rather than another starter box. I do not expect any large base map boards, but I hope they do include several pieces of hex terrain.
Arena had 5 PWs, all single colors. Zendikar had 2 PWs, a mono and a dual color. Innistrad had 4 dual color. I would guess 2 or 3 PWs; and would be surprised if there are more. At this time every color is already represented by 3 PWs.
I think the Ruiner and Scions offered 2v1 and 3v1 options and think that another option to play in this fashion way will be offered.
I would hope to get perhaps 6 more spell cards for each color. I also think that every color will get a squad or hero.
I do think that it is less likely that we will ever see Commons squads. However, an expansion that included no PWs; a common squad for each color and no Spell Cards would fly off the shelf. However, a MtG expansion with no cards would be sacrilege I suppose.
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Post by Colorcrayons on Jul 21, 2016 14:49:01 GMT -6
The main reason why I want them to avoid those small boxes, is because Battle for Zendikar was an entire magic block that got relegated to a hyper condensed format, in an already condensed format.
There could have been some good stuff Hasbro could have explored in Oath if the Gatewatch (Zendikar second part of block), had they made the first box set in each block standalone, and the second box a mini box that zendikar got. That way attention is equal. And more content granted. Magic block only have two parts now, instead of three like they used to. The big then small for a block is the perfect way to handle it in Arena and matches how its done in magic (large core, then smaller satellite) They likely will release a small box for Kaladesh, and frankly, I think it's a shame.
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Post by coyote81 on Jul 21, 2016 18:30:55 GMT -6
I did forget that this is likely a small box set. Hmmm, maybe they will give us some campaign/story driven set of mission where we collect artifacts that can be used during later matches. It's kind of an alternative style of play, much like the team aspect of Zendikar.
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Post by HlRasr on Jul 21, 2016 20:34:42 GMT -6
Hoping expansion 3 is eldritch moon. Want me some eldrazi. But on Kaladesh, I think the colors of the planeswalkers will reflect the characters in the set, just like Innistrad did. MTG does a good job splitting the color combinations of planeswalkers per set. As much as I want to say it was a happy coincidence that we have equal representation of planeswalkers per color, the ones we have match what was released in the card game. Maybe some artifact creatures. I believe that some artifact creatures will have colors. MTG stopped making mass because it creates major problems in deck diversity. Same problem could translate into the board game. Planeswalkers often were clothes that reflect their colors, and Saheeli Rai (the planesalker in the picture) is wearing and . Could be wrong though.
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Post by gideonjura on Jul 23, 2016 16:04:56 GMT -6
as of right now we have four multicolored planeswalkers my hope is that we will see a planeswalker so each color is equally represented by just multicolored planeswalkers. i could also see a new Chandra being mono colored and maybe one other planeswalker (i dont think 3 is likely though if its a small expansion) as from what i have seen Kaladesh is a city plane and if we see terrain i would imagine we could see some beautiful architecture. On a more exited note, kaladesh has some beautiful creatures and im super hyped to see this come in the figures
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Post by coyote81 on Jul 23, 2016 17:12:10 GMT -6
as of right now we have four multicolored planeswalkers my hope is that we will see a planeswalker so each color is equally represented by just multicolored planeswalkers. i could also see a new Chandra being mono colored and maybe one other planeswalker (i dont think 3 is likely though if its a small expansion) as from what i have seen Kaladesh is a city plane and if we see terrain i would imagine we could see some beautiful architecture. On a more exited note, kaladesh has some beautiful creatures and im super hyped to see this come in the figures I was thinking 3 is exactly what we would see. Chandra in her traditional , a / artifact scholar type, and a / artifact hater, ala the enemy. Since we should probably not get another huge model like the eldrazi, they can afford to put 3 planeswalkers in the set with units.
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Post by Yawgmoth on Jul 24, 2016 11:29:53 GMT -6
I am excited to think about how they will precisely handle artifacts. There are so many ways it could be done.
They could be spell cards that are cast and laid out on the board next to summoned creatures. Or they could be army cards themselves that you buy with your point total and summon.
I kinda like the second option as I think, unless the artifact is equipment, that they should be just army cards summoned onto the table. Models likely aren't necessary unless its a creature, as most artifacts just act like an enchantment that requires a different way to destroy it.
I really hope that the next expansion is not only Kaladesh, but that it does indeed deal with artifacts as a fairly central theme. That and common squads are the only thing missing that were promised in the original rulebook.
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Post by gideonjura on Jul 24, 2016 16:02:28 GMT -6
another possibility for artifacts would be like a glyph that the figure keeps even if he moves from that space the figure could keep something like a different colored damage marker to show which creature in a squad has the artifact. possibly artifacts could be stolen instead of a figure taking damage. as for common squads i hope that they release booster packs that would have one common squad or hero and maybe some cards or terrain. some ideas might be an eldrazi hero resembling kozilek or emrakul(unique), walls, and basic squads. for the most part they would fill in blanks that we would have liked in the expansion but may have not received.
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Post by hero95 on Jul 24, 2016 19:32:46 GMT -6
I think yall are right but we will mostly know when they spoil the cards for the sets
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Post by hero95 on Jul 28, 2016 20:16:45 GMT -6
Based off of how they have been realsing them I guess it will be in novmber or december that we get a new set
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Post by caps on Aug 12, 2016 15:10:17 GMT -6
Based off of how they have been realsing them I guess it will be in novmber or december that we get a new set You think we will get a new Arena set before the year ends?
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Post by Yawgmoth on Aug 12, 2016 16:05:04 GMT -6
Highly unlikely. The first set was released just prior to July 1st. Zendikar was released in February Innistrad mimics the core set by being released just prior again to July 1st. Chances are good that February is the next likely release date if this trend is anything to go by.
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Post by caps on Aug 12, 2016 16:05:57 GMT -6
That feels like a long way off, but at least now I have enough stuff that there can really be a drafting / building element to the game.
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Post by Yawgmoth on Aug 12, 2016 16:12:00 GMT -6
It is. I wish there were at least 3 releases per year. Like a big set, then a small expansion. Shadows over Innistrad (Big) then Eldritch Moon (Small). But if they do what they did last time, then Kaladesh will be small. *epic mega frowny face*
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Post by Colorcrayons on Aug 12, 2016 16:24:14 GMT -6
The little box for zendikar to represent that entire block was sad. So much could have been explored with that set.
I want a big and a small box for each block too. Anything less is just not enough content. They needed four expansions like that upon the base sets release.
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Post by nerddad on Aug 26, 2016 14:53:55 GMT -6
My knowledge of Mtg is minuscule. Most of what I know is from Aotp. After playing Aotp I did a little reading on the Mtg story and characters. I would love to see Ajanni Goldmane added to Aotp. Also Ugin and Nicol Bolas, possibly with a boss fight scenario like the Eldrazi Ruiner. Reading what others much more knowledgable about Mtg have speculated I'm guessing this is highly unlikely.
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Post by Colorcrayons on Aug 26, 2016 16:58:14 GMT -6
My knowledge of Mtg is minuscule. Most of what I know is from Aotp. After playing Aotp I did a little reading on the Mtg story and characters. I would love to see Ajanni Goldmane added to Aotp. Also Ugin and Nicol Bolas, possibly with a boss fight scenario like the Eldrazi Ruiner. Reading what others much more knowledgable about Mtg have speculated I'm guessing this is highly unlikely. Could be likely. It just depends on what is in the current CCG block. The base game seems to be fashioned after the last core set, Origins. Battle for Zendikar was the first part of the Zendikar block. Shadows over Innistrad the first part of the Innistrad block. Those were the ccg sets out roughly during the time of their namesake release in Arena. So if the Kaladesh block has Ajani or Ugin, for example, then we'll likely see it in Arena. We don't usually have much info on the future block until we're right on top of release.
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